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Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat 09 Mar 2019 06:53
in discussion General / Per page discussions » Gender Striker

Also, have you considered a tabview?
You are making many pages with concepts and prototypes. How to make a tabview is detailed on the front page of the sandbox.

To this item idea in particular i would recommend to get some distance between yourself and the item.
While reading it i was sure that you yourself have a problem with the concept.
Your personal feelings should not influence the tone of the article.
You are attempting a type of horror rarely seen around here. You try to trigger a "disgust" reaction.
To pull that of you have to write the article completely detached from buzzwords and strong feelings that arise from the subject matter.

If this is a joke and i am reading to deep into it: "My bad. Please proceed."

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 09 Mar 2019 06:53
Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat 06 Mar 2019 14:02
in discussion General / Per page discussions » Gender Striker

Welcome to the Sandbox.

Welcome to the iceberg of the implausible.

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 06 Mar 2019 14:02
Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat 01 Mar 2019 04:29
in discussion General / Per page discussions » Miranda room

Welcome to the Sandbox.

Welcome to a world of pure imagination.

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 01 Mar 2019 04:29
Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat 05 Feb 2019 16:52
in discussion General / Per page discussions » Jade's Sandbox

Welcome to the Sandbox.
Welcome to the depths.

From reading this i get the feeling that a lot of things could and will go wrong during this mission, while i just sit here and enjoy the show.

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 05 Feb 2019 16:52

Welcome to the Sandbox.
Welcome to unlimited potential.

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 04 Feb 2019 19:34

Client Unavailable Protocol is once again in effect.
The last activity of high command is older than a month.

Nov. 5th 2018

For non high command members that means to step up.
Looks like we are needed again.

Activation Trigger by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 04 Nov 2018 22:31

I made you a little tabview.
Make Tabs, and fill them, add the sandbox tag to your site and boom Sandbox.

What do you need?
When it comes to sandboxing I think I can be of help.

Help regarding Sandbox by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 26 Sep 2018 15:28

It were not my items that brought him into the light, but every word he said to me was worth it. He staid with this discussion longer than i expected. Same for you.
If someone can help me, that someone can help everyone. One day he will possibly help someone he likes more, someone who will become better because of him. Everyone will be better of once people are more open to speaking there mind.

He got involved more because of my item. I just hope that he sticks around.

At least that is what i meant there.

Re: Black Liquid Mirror by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 11 Jun 2018 20:32

Thank you for following up on my request to move our discussion to a forum thread. I see there's been a discission here, and DrSuppose brought up a lot of what I was going to say. Albeit he said more.

I'm going off to sleep now so I'll save the majority of my thoughts for tomorrow, if there are any left, but for now, I just want to comment on something that seems… unusual.

If all i contribute to the wiki is getting people like you involved, than i have not failed.

This is generally an odd statement to make. As far as I know, Suppose is a long-time lurking member who entered after reading "two Items and one tale". He could have been exaggerating, but I don't really think so. Are you referring to someone in particular? Because if not… you really shouldn't be saying it.

If you see my tone as rude, i apologizes. My actions have always reflected my beliefs, at least i see it that way. All questions i ask, are mend to be answered. If there answers had no meaning to me i would not ask. I am looking forward to your next work and hope that despite our differences, we can work together in the future.

Re: Black Liquid Mirror by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 11 Jun 2018 20:17

You border on the melodramatic with such rhetoric, mate. Your tone is even a little too testy here than what I could consider polite. It's good that you remain committed, but let your actions reflect your beliefs. You don't need me to answer your questions. Many of our contemporaries here are passionate writers. I don't care much about comparisons to titans and all that. This is all I have left to say in this thread.

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Re: Black Liquid Mirror by DrSupposeDrSuppose, 11 Jun 2018 20:05

So, that is your angle.

your lack of success in publishing your own should act as an indicator to you on how much (or how little) you should weigh your words

If you believe that i should be measured by my failures, your assumptions are correct. You might have noticed that i don't use that ruler. All i have done i have done because i thought it was the right thing to do at the moment.
I am not a perfectionist. Do you think a perfectionist would write "Zeta"? Do you think a perfectionist would publish an item just because the wiki was silent for a few months?
I am acutely aware that i don't measure up to the titans of old. That dose not mean that i will just sit in a corner and wait for better days.
I am not sure how deep you went, when you looked at my work, but let me ask you this…
What was "The Wintergreen Protocol"?

The good old times wont come back, if we just sit and wait. I have seen what happens when you tie your commitment to the site to your success. It breaks you, drives you away.
My point is that i don't have the talent to take the top yet, but that will never stop me from trying.
Setback after setback, failure after failure.
I am still here and i don't plan on leaving anytime soon.

I like you "disagreeable". You will fight for what you believe in, as do I. You don't like my work, great that implies you read it. You don't like my way of critic and me integrating stuff into my work, great that means you read it. You are still here, trying to save me.

If all i contribute to the wiki is getting people like you involved, than i have not failed.
There will still be someone to answer the door.
I disagree with you on many things, but that is not bad. Progress always follows Problems.

Let me ask you something else.
Where would you be if your writing had failed? Would you just give up writing or would you try again and again until you get it right?

I have seen people come, fail and leave. Tying once own self-worth to ones success works great when things go up, not so if they don't. I think that this mentality can and has cost us our members.


articles which the author recognizes cannot work in their current state

I thought i had it.

I don't launch things i don't think can succeed. My sandboxes are filled with pieces i would never try to put up in there current state. But once i cant get anymore feedback on a piece the only thing leaved to try and improve it is to put it in the line of fire. Best outcome: It sticks, hurray.
Worst outcome, -2 without explanation. Possible outcome: Feedback, hurray.
You see, i cant loose in this game. A setback here wont make my writing worse, but i might get the chance to improve it or confirmation that i have improved.

I know my writing is hard to digest so i can not just overload the page by releasing everything, because the more pieces i put out the less is the chance to get my feedback. I would actually drive people away from me or even worse the wiki.

Re: Black Liquid Mirror by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 11 Jun 2018 19:35

It's overdone, it underperforms, and the site, honestly, suffers from getting articles chucked at it, articles which the author recognizes cannot work in their current state but still chooses to publish because, to quote your linked thread, he wants to go "boom" to rile people up. I've lurked here for a very long time and Meta, your vision of an ambitiously-scoped multiverse bleeds into your objective integrity as a writer because you place so many "hidden meanings" and double entendres et cetera both in your stories and out-of-character that you become indecipherable at the worst. I earnestly suggest being more lenient in critiquing others' work, and not just pouting at their mistakes and openly wondering how their piece fits into your own universe, because your lack of success in publishing your own should act as an indicator to you on how much (or how little) you should weigh your words. Restraint is a real-life sense that you need to have. You've shown none, in my opinion.

You have a lot to learn, not just with authoring works. Here's hoping you listen to this. You are an active member, but in order to help start a wiki resurgence, you're going to have to find ways to be less disagreeable with others, and learn not to behave like a perfectionist since you should recognize the fallibility of your technqiue.

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Re: Black Liquid Mirror by DrSupposeDrSuppose, 11 Jun 2018 18:42

I think these oversights are part of what makes an item work and i always try to make sure i have understood the item/tale before i write something about it. I read every file as if every word might have a hidden meaning and i wish for my works to be read like that as well.

BLM was a standalone, with a simple premise, you are right. The piece was a reaction to a chat where someone suggested i should write something outside of my large interconnected work.
To be honest i never suspected it to make such an impact (reaching 8 votes in total). To me it was a simple concept played with the twist that the story was almost completely outside of the items focus.
My stories are almost always hidden, but if i try to hide bigger things these just gets lost (all of hat-move being my experience in that regard).

the horror you intended for us to see was written loud and clear

When i asked you what you thought was going on, you had your focus entirely on the item that was strapped to a table, under a spotlight, so exactly the point where nothing scary was intended to happen.
So, i don't know if it was loud and clear.

banal and unrealized

would fit better here.

Just so i bring it up, this happed.
I thought i had it.

So let me bring up another question for this piece: Do you guys want to help me fix this or should i shift my focus somewhere else?
If you don't think this concept is worth the time to fix it, than we should stop right here.
I made a piece with errors, the message was "banal and unrealized" and the writing and wording has not served its purpose, but damaged the pieces as a whole.

I will continue to tinker with it until i think it is ready again. I don't give up on my works. I move on, do other things, but i always come back, but you don't have to stick around. In my grand plan BLM was a side-quest, a puzzle piece for completion of a picture. That it is important to me, dose not keep it from being "Unworkable".

In case this is the last post about BLM this year, i once again thank everyone who spend there time with my work and i hope to present something better the next time you pick up something from me.

Re: Black Liquid Mirror by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 11 Jun 2018 17:35

For someone whose main criticisms of others' work is calling out the oversights and misjudgements in their portrayal of the Insurgency, your angle for creating horror feels a bit hypocritical.

I rather dislike being blunt, but the horror you intended for us to see was written loud and clear. The problem is that it's just so banal and unrealized that, coupled with the lack of reliable proofreading, makes one's eyes gloss over to the end of the report on the first reading.

The detail about the cursing is among the most banal, IMO. But at first, I thought it was a "The Sixth Day" type of fate-cursing. Now that you've cleared that up, it's actually the "Woe is me!" reaction played straight, which, I might add, suits the term 'lamenting' more than cursing, which has a comic connotation. One way or another, this part was still a major brown note.

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Re: Black Liquid Mirror by DrSupposeDrSuppose, 11 Jun 2018 16:11

Originally send as a PM to WaterBee, published on his request.

BLM was the story on how the Insurgency found the villain of a low-budget horror movie and decided to use it as a way to stock up on qualified personnel. This is the creative use and active misuse.

The Insurgency first had safety-measures in place for mitigating the risk emitting from the item, but as higher and higher ranking copies were brought into service they started to weaken the Insurgency's defenses.

Copies are not to be trusted in regards to deployment of the item and are to be separated from it permanently.

The Item has already shown that copies will not move the mirror on there own, as they could have leaved the house the item was recovered from, if the copies were be able to do that. The Insurgency noted that

The item is not to be deployed in highly populated areas.

As the mirror could get hundreds of copies from that, all with the desire to put more people in-front of the mirror, leading to more copies, as the victims would see there own reflection before being swallowed.

But to go back to the first quote, the copies can now order the deployment of the item, meaning that they would try to deploy it wide-scale, killing a lot of people and large parts of the Insurgency.
"These copies are perfect, every Insurgency member should exist 6 times."
There are certain risks when you and your coworkers are outnumbered by 5 to 1, when the 5 just want to shove people into the mirror.

The mirror tried to fool the Insurgency into believing it to be harmless and easy to solve a personnel shortage. The Insurgency believed it and since the file has not been updated since than this process is ether ongoing or has concluded with the Insurgency worse off than before they diploid the item.

All of this story got lost as it was a story i tried to tell entirely outside of the spotlight. The monster is not scary, the way it was used is.
And how Suppose demonstrated, the BLM wins. I don't know who said it, but

The devils greatest trick was making people believe he could not exist.

Suppose is right when he says the story he got from the item was bad, because what he got out of it was bad.
It was just not what i put into it.

Suppose said

the 'failures' try to draw in people to make more clones

He is right, but

All copies produced by the mirror work towards the goal to put more people in front of the mirror, push/stuff/throw people into the mirror and return into the mirror once there original is within the mirror.

This mission was doomed from the start, but it was to good of a chance to pass up. Where else do you get good, cheep help these days?

I hope this clears things up a bit.
I have failed in execution, but not because i had nothing to tell, but because i could not communicate my story to the readers.

Thanks for your interest and thanks for reading.

EDIT: From Waterbee's PM I could read that this has not cleared up all the things the item should have been. This is not a story about infiltration. It was supposed to be routed in a thought like, "We can invite a whole bunch of Vampires into our house, we can handle it and we need the additional manpower."
Infiltration usually means that the attempts are somewhat hidden and the one being infiltrated has not invited everyone, while knowing that they have there own goals.
I was aiming for a mixture of fear of new people, fear of losing relevance do to under-performance, fear of slavery and fear of being replaceable.

Additional note: When you are suddenly covered in black goo and you have been told that a throwaway copy would emerge covered in black goo, you are hit with the sudden realization that you are the throwaway copy. Well that was not like you pictured it. Time to curse once own misfortune.

Black Liquid Mirror by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 11 Jun 2018 10:20

If you can't tell, all of my stories (for the most part) take place in the early 2000's (2000-2009) so that is why many of things I do or say may seem dated.

Mr. Emperson

when this takes place by empersonemperson, 16 May 2018 00:15
empersonemperson 15 May 2018 22:58
in discussion General / Per page discussions » I.T. Station Beta

Challenge accepted, this should be fun.

Mr. Emperson

by empersonemperson, 15 May 2018 22:58

Sadly the joke flew right over your head.
To hidden?

Also, Sending an automated response to a "manual assistance required error" is the best softwaregore i have seen in days.

Now i just sit tight and wait if you can figure the joke out. Let us just say that my 4 complain root in the same thing going on. (And it is much worse than the foundation stealing files sinister laugh)

by Meta WonderratMeta Wonderrat, 15 May 2018 20:22
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